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ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-01-2001 05:06 PM hi to all first, sorry for my bad english but it is very important to let you know, whats going on in germany selling of selfmade levels at ebay.de at the german ebay we found a game CD called Tomb Raider - Die Chronik (Part 2). There are 170 levels available on the CD. nearly all (or all) levels are downloaded from the web and put on these CDs. the price is about $10 in the german forum we are discussing this problem. the link to the thread is http://www.maxupport.net/eidos/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=48&t=000580&p= if you like to have a look at ebay, here is the link http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1234357864 the license agreement says: ... Your levels must be distributed free of charge. Neither you nor anyone else may sell, rent, lease or commercially exploit these levels in any way. When you publicly distribute your level you automatically grant Core Design Ltd. and/or Eidos Interactive the perpetual, royalty free right to use, modify, license and distribute your level in any way we choose. .... what do you say, is that right? cu, ags (gerhard) IP: Logged
Torry Member Posts: 262 From:Melbourne, Vic, Australia. Registered: Jan 2000 | posted 05-01-2001 06:19 PM Well, is the guy making any money or does the $10 just cover costs of blank CD, CD case, postage and packing to anywhere in the world? If he is just making a convenient option for people to get these levels without having to download 650 meg off the web but is making no money, I don't see the problem. IP: Logged
cool#9 Member Posts: 236 From:FRANCE Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-01-2001 06:45 PM "Qui va la j't'en prie ?" I am sure people will understand what you are saying Torry. But does that $10 also include, for instance, the electricity bill, the time spent on downloading the levels, time spent on burning the level, time spent on conveying the goods to the nearest post office, cost towards the money spent on buying a computer, a CDR burner, and so on.......... The packaging is one thing. The equipment used as well as the labor and the time factor is another on top of that! Wot do others got to say then? I know of people who do get free stamps, free blank CDs, etc.... Just a thought ... ------------------ IP: Logged
GoranAgar Moderator Posts: 3608 From:Jupiter Mining Corporation Registered: Dec 2000 | posted 05-01-2001 10:33 PM Ich seh mir das mal an. ------------------ IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-01-2001 10:53 PM hi a black CD does not cost more than $0,5. they just sell the CD by auction it. the $10 are the minimum they want to have. the dispatch is extra. so if you sell more than one CD you will earn money. but not only this fact i am angry, it the fact, that they take the level out of the web and do not ask anyone for doing that. secondly the license agreement says that no sell, rent, lease or commercially exploit these levels is allowed. so downloading or exchange levels between friends on CD is ok. that what they do is not ok! we will do something against that. cu, gerhard IP: Logged
GoranAgar Moderator Posts: 3608 From:Jupiter Mining Corporation Registered: Dec 2000 | posted 05-01-2001 10:56 PM Who exactly is we? I said i am on it. ------------------ [This message has been edited by GoranAgar (edited 05-01-2001).] IP: Logged
Torry Member Posts: 262 From:Melbourne, Vic, Australia. Registered: Jan 2000 | posted 05-01-2001 11:19 PM Well OK. It seems that the $10 is just for the levels as the postage and packing is extra. Then I agree with you guyz. He is profiting om YOUR work and this should be challenged. nichts wie scheisse................ IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-01-2001 11:25 PM ok here is teh list of the levels **************************************************************************************** Bei "Tomb Raider-die Chronik (Part 2)" handelt es sich um 2 CDs mit sage und schreibe 170 Levels für "Tomb Raider-die Chronik". Die meisten Levels beinhalten eine Story und werden sogar durch Zwischenlevels aufgeteilt - so werden aus 170 Levels locker über 200 Levels! Alle Levels sind sehr detailliert dargestellt und qualitativ sehr hochwertig! Fast denkt man, man würde den 6ten Teil der Tomb Raider-Saga spielen! Hier die Levels im einzelnen: A Abandoned City Abandoned Village Alexanders tomb Alien Artefact Amsterdam ANDEN-Nebelwald (Ecuador) Anzio Nero's Domus Area 56 B Base Near the Ruins BetweenTheSpace Behind the Warp Gate Beneath the forbidden City Blue in the blue Break Out Burning Library C Caesars Palace Catacomb Towers Catacombs Sample Level Catacombs of the Lost Caves of Amun Cave Village Circle Tomb City of Ptah (Triad of Memphis) Cleopatra's other Palace Companys Complex Crash in the Highlands Crypt Entrance Crypt of Queen Elahna Crystal Ice Palacet D Dark Fall Dark Jungel Das Reich des Ramses Der Palast des Menes Der vergessene Tempel von Abu Roasch Desert Dam Die Tür des Windes (La Porta Del Vento; The Door of the Wind) Don't Look Down E El diamante Perdido End in Failure Escape from the Tomb Escape with the Amulet of Horus Escapee Extravaganza Level F Fire and Ice First Full Level by UFO (Warp gate / Coastal Level) Forgotten Graves Free the King G GameSpy Headquarters Garden of a Twin Arch Bridge Gateway to Menouthis Genova Principe Gonzo's Level Goodbye Lara! Guardian of the Sphinx H Hamunaptra Helmut / Temple of Karnak Horseman's Headquarters Hunt for 5 Artefacts I Ice Desert Ice Pyramid In der großen Pyramide / TOMB RAIDER Ressurection: Level 1 Infiltration J Jackson Pollock's Puzzle John's Level Jump like an Agyptian Jungle Falls K Kamifukuoka Lab Kevin - Tutorial Level Kevin - Settomb Level Kevin - Karnak Level L Lara to the Rescue Lara's Adventure in Wonderland: Big Chamber Lara's Home Lara's House Lara's Return Lara's Tomb - Old Haunts Level 01 Level One / Tokyo, Studio Ummo Lilkid's Level Little City Lost Oasis M Menkaure's Pyramid at Giza Mysterious Underground City N Necro's Domain Not so dark Jungel Nuclear Attack O P Palace of Anubis Palace of Cyrus Palace of the four Kings Psychedelic Caverns (Kevin - Tutorial Level) Q Quest for Golden Lara R Return for the Amulet Return to Alexandria Return to Venice-Leandro Dubost Return to Venice-pwhirl River of the Sacred Beetle Rückkehr nach Tinnos (RITORNO A TINNOS) Rückkehr zu Tutmosis Run Lara Run S San Georgio SAS Stakeout Scarabinth Schottland: Das Mysterium der großen Pyramide (IN SCOZIA: IL MISTERO DELLA PIRAMIDE, Scotland: The Mystery of the Pyramid) Secret Operation Seven Islands Silent Oasis St. Turisas Star of Amilha Surouths Five Skulls T Tarragona: World Heritage Tempel der Finsternis Temple of Ash Temple of Haremhab Temple of Jazimiya Temple of Karnos Temple of Merenptah Temple Of Re (The Lost Temple of Re, The lost Tomb of Re) Temple of Shabaka Tempel of Taurus Temple of Uranos The 12 Gates of Duat: The Underworld The Big Library The Castle The Croft Estate The Doom Temples (Kevin-Karnak Level) The Gates of Ishtah The Ice Pyramid (Verner) The Iron Horse The Lost Compass The Queens Secret The Scotish Ruin The Sewer (Kevin-Settomb Level) The S.S. McGreer Tomb of Gustav Klimt Tomb of Nelomgals Tomb of Okata Tomb of Queen Fufutiti Tomb of Roac Tomb Survivor Train (from Goldeneye N64) Train V2.0 (from Goldeneye N64) Trapped Trench Tricks and Traps Tut Ankh Amuns Legacy Tyron Palace U Ultimate Test Underground Organisation (Secret Org) V Verschollen Volki (Kurzlevel) W Water Library Water Temple X Y Young Lara's Home Demos: Frozen in Time (Demo) Arctic Demo Demo Heroic Manliness Demo Lost Tomb of Ormaez Demo Triad of Thebes Demo UFO Demo pwhirl The Journey (Demo) ************************************************************ Achtung! Für dieses Add-On-Set wird die Vollversion von "Tomb Raider-die Chronik" benötigt! Installationsanleitung leigt bei! ************************************************************ **************************************************************************************** @GoranAgar hallo, ich habe garnicht bemerkt, du bist moderator; wir sind die "stamm crew" aus dem deutschen forum. der link steht oben. einige levelbauer wie webknight, ufo, helmut, volki sind dabei, die ich kenne. eventuell auch mein haus level. ich habe die CD nicht. deswegen kann ich das nicht sagen. wir haben vor eidos und ebay zu mailen. ich wollte nur auch hier bescheid geben, falls eine mailing aktion notwendig wird. die größte sauerei ist, daß die lizenz das ausdrücklich untersagt! @GoranAgar if you can not read this i will translate it later. cu, gerhard IP: Logged
GoranAgar Moderator Posts: 3608 From:Jupiter Mining Corporation Registered: Dec 2000 | posted 05-01-2001 11:53 PM Hallo Gerhard, wenn Ihr selbst direkten Kontakt zu Eidos habt würde ich vorschlagen daß Ihr diese Kontakte nutzt und diese Info weitergebt. Ansonsten gebe ich das an RedLegg (Administrator hier) weiter. Es bringt nur nichts wenn 5 Leute bei Eidos die gleiche Info bekommen und anfangen Tätig zu werden. Was Ebay angeht würde ich das Eidos überlassen. Also, was sagst Du? ------------------ IP: Logged
Driber_IF Member Posts: 823 From:Den Haag, The Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 03:48 AM people, please write in English (or at least translate it) ------------------ Custom TR levels, textures and other TR goodies on www.driber.cjb.net IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 04:23 AM sorry,Driber_IF its easier to write in your motherlanguage two posts above i write the list of level which are on the CD the german text says: "Tomb Raider the Chronic (Part2)" are 2 CD´s with 170 level for "Tomb Raider the Chronic". Most level including a story and partly with camera sqeuences so that more than 200 levels are available. All levels are explaint in details and the levels be in a high quality. You thing that you are playing the 6th part of the tomb raider saga. now the list of levels follows ************************************************************ caution! this add-one set is only for the TRC licensed full version. Installatiosguide is included. ************************************************************ next posting of GoranAgar he was asking me, who are "we" i told him, that we are the "basic crew" in the german forum and the members are webKnight, ufo, volki, and some more. he also asks what we are going to, if we have contact to eidos and so on. now GoranAgar try to contact some eidos members. we just wainting for an answer. note: the translation is not word by word its the drift of what we posted. cu, gerhard [This message has been edited by ags (edited 05-02-2001).] [This message has been edited by ags (edited 05-02-2001).] IP: Logged
Torry Member Posts: 262 From:Melbourne, Vic, Australia. Registered: Jan 2000 | posted 05-02-2001 04:55 AM I could read it. What's wrong with the rest of you guyz, LOL. IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 05:03 AM hi torry most actions about CDs are done in the german forum at the moment. if i have news i will post it. cu, gerhard IP: Logged
GoranAgar Moderator Posts: 3608 From:Jupiter Mining Corporation Registered: Dec 2000 | posted 05-02-2001 05:15 AM I have informed RedLegg. He knows if he has to forward this to someone else. But i do not think they will tell us what happens next. Uhm, sorry about the german post of mine I just asked if the members of the german forum have any person they could contact at Eidos or if i should do it. ------------------ IP: Logged
Torry Member Posts: 262 From:Melbourne, Vic, Australia. Registered: Jan 2000 | posted 05-02-2001 05:18 AM Danke Gerhard. Ich bin im deutschen forum auch registiert unter "Aussie". Will mich die geschichte durch lesen. [This message has been edited by Torry (edited 05-02-2001).] IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 06:15 AM hi torry, please post in english @GoranAgar hope we get an answer soon. cu, gerhard IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 10:40 AM hi good new, eidos has return a message. its GoranAgar part to tell you the news. great work, GoranAgar. hipp hipp hurra IP: Logged
cool#9 Member Posts: 236 From:FRANCE Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 11:43 AM "Qui va la j't'en prie ?" I, for one, am glad to see some feedback here. If someone decided to supply people with copies of TR custom levels burnt onto CDs, then the customers wishing to receive such copies should provide with the blank CD and stamps! The supplier should also make sure he/she gets the consent from the people who have put time into creating their levels. Copier des jeux videos sur CD est une chose. Les vendre, s'appelle piraterie. And by the way, to send a CD from UK to USA, costs me: 91 pence in postage 30 pence for an envelope 40 pence per blank CD TOTAL:£1.61 which roughly works out: $2.30 (£1=$0.70) ------------------ IP: Logged
TrueRaider Member Posts: 461 From:Rothwell, South LEEDS UK! Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 11:49 AM Its just making money out of core's work, can't they be taken to court for something like this, even though the cost may cover the cd cost etc, and my level's in there too,...sie sind schweinhunden (its meant to say they are pig dogs, its probably wrong, I can speak reasonable german) [This message has been edited by TrueRaider (edited 05-02-2001).] IP: Logged
Driber_IF Member Posts: 823 From:Den Haag, The Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 01:30 PM well, I'm from Holland, witch is next to Germany however, it doesn't mean I can read it, let alone many other people that read this forum and as far as that cd goes: that guy can't give us crap about posting costs and stuff, the fact is that he's making easy money on levels that he probebly downloaded in a day or two, witch were created for months by people like me so, no, this is really, really wrong and I hope eidos will sew his *** ! ------------------ Custom TR levels, textures and other TR goodies on www.driber.cjb.net IP: Logged
Neil Smith Junior Member Posts: 8 From: Registered: Oct 2000 | posted 05-02-2001 01:40 PM They are the exact same levels in the exact same order from my site! EIDOS AND CORE SHOULD SUE THEIR A$$E$!!!!!!!! AND EBAY SHOULD KNOW BETTER NOT TO LET BURNT CD'S ON THEIR SITE!!!!!! THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ON THEM! IP: Logged
TrueRaider Member Posts: 461 From:Rothwell, South LEEDS UK! Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 01:53 PM Um, yeah. Do core/eidos know about this? IP: Logged
Driber_IF Member Posts: 823 From:Den Haag, The Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 02:33 PM I say: let's not wait for a possible answer from Eidos, let's all massivly bomb their e-mail with messages about that it's wrong and they should take actions to take this cd off e-bay (good thing he didn't have any bids yet though ) ------------------ Custom TR levels, textures and other TR goodies on www.driber.cjb.net IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 03:39 PM hi, cool down. do not bombard eidos with e-mail. first i have to say: thanks, GoranAgar. he send the mail to his "boss" here is the answer: I have reported the auctions to Ebay. Ebay is very serious about helping IP owners protect their property, as are we. If you, or any other member, finds similar IP violations in the future, please do not hesitate to notify me or one of your moderators. Please note that it may take a day or two to process these submissions. Addtionally, I have notified our legal department of this situation. Regards, ------------------ RedLegg41 Forum Admin Eidos Interactive ok, i think, that´s enough at the moment. in germany we will have a look at ebay. if we recognize some problemes, i will start a new thread to inform you what´s going on. i think we have to look at other electronic marked outside of germany. may be that somebody will offer an other CD ?! hope, that you are satisfied at the moment cu, and be aware of what happens, gerhard IP: Logged
psiko Member Posts: 454 From:Rome Registered: Mar 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 05:27 PM well, I'd like to sell my own TR.... even if I am not doing it.... Eidos published only the editor, now we can: add ouwself composed music, owr own textures, owr own objects done with the CAD..... we can do things that eidos did not preview..... and then, we project our levels.... I spent so long and hard time to project my first level.... I don't want to be rich with it.... only paid for all those about 3 mounths... and I don't have finished yet..... ------------------ | |--->> psiko <<---| | IP: Logged
psiko Member Posts: 454 From:Rome Registered: Mar 2001 | posted 05-02-2001 05:37 PM EHI! I am not going to sell it! ------------------ | |--->> psiko <<---| | IP: Logged
blacknile Member Posts: 103 From:Uphoria Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-03-2001 12:10 AM I think everyone whos level was on the cd should ask for a share of his takings since we did all the work IP: Logged
Michael P Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: Apr 2001 | posted 05-03-2001 12:19 AM Yeah that would be fun, but... - it seems for now that he will manage to sell 4 of these CDs on eBay for about US$10, which assuming we have about 80 Authors represented on the CD will earn you 50 cent if he does not keep anything for himself - it would be illegal for us (as it is for him) to make any money out of it!! I have sent the guy/company a personal eMail requesting that he withdraws his eBay offers as this is plainly illegal. If he does not do this I am considering legal action against him (after checking how much of a hassle this would be to carry through for me) ------------------ HAPPY RAIDING! Michael. IP: Logged
blacknile Member Posts: 103 From:Uphoria Registered: Jan 2001 | posted 05-03-2001 12:27 AM I checked out ebays piracy rules and he is breaking them . I tried to email evay but i can't find a support contact. So if any wants to inform ebay they will remove his items and slap him on the rist. Here is a small part of the contract:- As a matter of eBay policy, software on CD-R (including CD-RW) may not be listed on eBay, unless the seller is the copyright owner and states this in the item description. This means that, among other things, compilations (e.g., multiple software programs on one disk), "freeware" and "shareware" on CD-R may not be listed on eBay. This policy also means that even lawful software on CD-R is not permitted on eBay. This following situation illustrates how this might arise. Example: An individual or small software company decides to release its software on CD-R. The software company sells the software on CD-R on eBay to Jack. This is permissible because the software company is the copyright owner of the software. Jack now wants to resell the software on CD-R on eBay. The software on CD-R is "lawful software," but Jack (or anyone other than the software company) is not permitted to list this item on eBay. ------------------ Lest I cause the dead to outnumber the living IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-03-2001 01:21 AM hi michael, it was funny to read your comment, $0,50 for each of the level designer cu, gerhard IP: Logged
GoranAgar Moderator Posts: 3608 From:Jupiter Mining Corporation Registered: Dec 2000 | posted 05-03-2001 01:28 AM quote: Originally posted by RedLegg41: I have reported the auctions to Ebay. Ebay is very serious about helping IP owners protect their property, as are we. If you, or any other member, finds similar IP violations in the future, please do not hesitate to notify me or one of your moderators. Please note that it may take a day or two to process these submissions. Addtionally, I have notified our legal department of this situation. Regards, RedLegg41 ------------------ IP: Logged
ags Junior Member Posts: 10 From:germany/bavaria Registered: May 2001 | posted 05-03-2001 02:59 AM Important NEWS the autions at ebay are closed. every offer is withdraw :jump: thanks to GoranAgar and RegLegg. good work cu, gerhard IP: Logged

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